Ok so now i feel like playing neo-classical metal, iv looked for lessons on it online cant find any, so i was hooping some1 here could help me. I can economy pick and stuff so yeah. What scales do i need to learn for neocalsicalmetal also i need some exercises to work on my picking cuz it isn't fast enough for yngwie stuff etc.

Harmonic Minor Scale is the most used scale for neo-classical metal. Natural Minor, Major Scale, and Melodic minor are also used. Here is the theory behind the scales.
http://neoclassicalmetal.org/index.php?showtopic=1053

oh kk ty dude

Got a any good economy picking exercises both decending and ascending so i can increase and impore my picking speed? it's not fast enpugh for economy picking

Don't just memorize scales. Learn the theory of them and learn how to put them into music. Like someone once said, no one likes a dumb musician.
Some other scales are the Greek Modes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0O68PPvVaA

Just use the metronome and use chromatic scales or any other scale you want to work on. Use the 3 notes per string patterns for the major and minor scales.

can usend me the link to where i cna find tabs of the Harmonic Minor Scale? plz

Here you can look up any scale. http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php

ty for link but confused as hell on how the thing works. Im self taught so i dont go by ntoes like G and F and stuff i use tabs lol, anyways this the tabs im using Harmonic Minor Scale

e---------------------------4-5-7-8----------------------I
B-----------------------5-6------------------------------I
G-----------------4-5-7----------------------------------I
D-------------6-7----------------------------------------I
A-------5-7-8--------------------------------------------I
E-5-7-8--------------------------------------------------I

e--8-7-5-4-----------------------------------------------I
B----------6-5-------------------------------------------I
G--------------7-5-4-------------------------------------I
D---------------------7-6--------------------------------I
A-------------------------8-7-5--------------------------I
E-------------------------------8-7-5--------------------I

Is this the harmonic minor scale?

It's your choice but I can't stress this enough: learn to read notation. It will reward you big time.

Anyway, that's the one!

k Ty dude send me a link to where i can learn to read notation plz!

Also i was junst practicing the scale and i notice i pick differently.

Sometimes i use my wrist other times i use my whole arm! So now im confused wich 1 is right? and wich is wrong? I pick at same speed with both but i want to know wich 1 is right

Use the wrist. That link also has tab. http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...et&t=0&choice=1
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...et&t=0&choice=1 Are the best patterns to use. Extend it to 3 notes per string if you figure that out. Wider stretches but easier to use it with a metronome.

Acousolysis and I know how much reading notation is good for musicians.

You can't really learn to read notations online.
You have to learn from a book because the book will have songs in it that will have you sight read.

Find a Hal Leonard book. Complete Series.
It'll help out a lot. It helps me.

Also read Neoshredder theory posts.
And pick up A Player's Guide to Chords and Harmony.
http://www.amazon.com/Players-Guide-Chords...d/dp/0879307986

and this book.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Music-The...rds+and+harmony

wow so much help thank you guys, ima get some books hopefully this weekend, and im going to start practicing the scale,

again thank you guys hopefully this week ill make a vid of myself (so check this post everyonce in a while) doing scale so u guys can see my progress and tell me what im doing wrong :) ty so much for help!

oh yeah i forgot, in the scale when im doing the 7-6 on the D string wut fingers do i use?

Well it depends if you stretched out the scale. 3 notes per scale here. Each string starts with your first finger in this style here. If you have trouble stretching, than use the other example in that link. A B C D E F G# A.

-------------------------------7-8-10--------------
------------------------6-9-10---------------------
------------------5-7-9-----------------------------
------------6-7-9------------------------------------
------5-7-8--------------------------------------------
5-7-8---------------------------------------------------

The most popular time to use the harmonic is on the E Maj chord. The 5th note of A Harmonic minor. This pattern starts with E.

-------------------------------------------------13-16-17--------------
----------------------------------------13-15-17---------------------
------------------------------13-14-16-----------------------------
--------------------12-14-15------------------------------------
----------12-14-15--------------------------------------------
12-13-16---------------------------------------------------

ty dude i was using the normal harmonic, i didn't make it 3 notes per scale. Bu i guess ill start using 3 notes per scale im going to use that example

-------------------------------7-8-10--------------
------------------------6-9-10---------------------
------------------5-7-9-----------------------------
------------6-7-9------------------------------------
------5-7-8--------------------------------------------
5-7-8---------------------------------------------------


Ill do it ascending and decending :D Ty dude i was just practicing i can get the harmonic minor to 140 bpm haven't tried 150 yet

i was jsut practicing and ran into a problem

-------------------------------7-8-10--------------
------------------------6-9-10---------------------
------------------5-7-9-----------------------------
------------6-7-9------------------------------------
------5-7-8--------------------------------------------
5-7-8---------------------------------------------------

What fingers should i use when i do the 5-7-9 on the G string?


And what figners do i sue when i do this acending? i have a problem when i got from 10-8-7 to 10-9-6 gives me a real hard time i guess im not usign right fingers?

Fingers 1, 2, and 4 for 5-7-9.
10-8-7 uses fingers 4, 2, 1
10-9-6 uses fingers 4, 3, 1

I tried that out and used first-middle-pinky - first-ring-pinky - first-middle-pinky for 5-7-9 - 6-9-10 - 7-8-10, respectively, both ascending and descending.

It's up to you, though. You'll have to find out the way you prefer to do it; there's no solely correct way of doing it.

k ty guys. Im going to get back to practicing.

After a few hours i get REALLY bored of practicing and just want to do something else.

How long do u guys recommmend for me to practice so i can get it fast? I usually do 2-3 hours of nonstop (liek really i dotn stop at all) but when i get to 1 hour i get bored

That's enough. Just gotta not take days off and continue to do that. Need more scale patterns?

k dude ima try from 1 tp 2 horus a day, cuz 3 hours is just killing me hope thats ok.

As for practicing, it's completely up to you. Since you got such a long period of time to practice, take out your theory book and study that and apply it to the guitar. Also practice with the Hal Leonard book I recommend. That'll keep you going.
Also, it's better to practice for at least 30 minutes a day then then 3 hours every few days. Basically that mean practice everyday.

yay! Im at 140- bpm on the ntoeper string 1

There are various ways to practice scales and if you just run up and down the scale from top to bottom over and over again it will make your practice sessions extremely tedious. If you get bored practising for 3 hours at a time I suggest you practice for 1 hour a time, 3 times a day. It's important to have some type of structure to your practising as well instead of just blindly shredding through scales all the time.

I would personally consider learning to play various songs for building chops; scale exercises should be executed for more theoretical purposes.

hmm, k ty dude got any songs?

Depends on how good your ears are. I would say start out with songs of Marty Friedman's Dragon's Kiss or Scenes.

k dude ill try some songs off that album, im at 168 bpm now on hte metronome from http://www.metronomeonline.com/ :D

also got any songs from thise albums i should specifaclly practice? ill use tabs cuz i havent gotten the books yet

"Far Beyond the Sun" by Yngwie Malmsteen. Some great shred stuff there.

Assuming you wish to learn to economy pick efficiently, you could try learning some mad sweep sections from various songs: Altitudes and Serrana by Jason Becker, The Psalm of Lydia by Nevermore, Jato Unit by Jeff Loomis, Shadows and Mirrors by Symphony X... the list goes on.

In general, you should just practice the songs that you really like or want to learn. This way you won't get so bored of playing as quickly.

It really doesn't matter what level you're at or how difficult the songs are to perform: just keep your head cool and practice the stuff slowly enough.

k ty so much guys, Im going to start with trilogy op 5 seems cool

What fingers do i use? Here are teh tabs im using

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/y/yngw...te_op_5_tab.htm

43412412412412421431(1)431 for first line
43 chord 43412412413413431 for second line
43214214214 chord 21(1)3413413 for third line
4231241(1)3421421321431431(1) Chord. That'll get you started.

Anyone can tell him the metronome settings for the song and time signature?

hey guys i know this a little off topic but, My friend invited me to his band its like a rock band, and now i have to come up with a solo any tips?

Try to sing out the solo and then add it to the guitar. Imagine what a good solo would sound like in that song. If you know the scales to the chord progression, you can improv it as well.

Watch Marty Friedman's Melodic Control. It's on google video.

Also there's some way you can make a good guitar solo. Like Neoshredder said, use a scale that goes good with the chord progession.
Also, you could do the basic blues solo that is used in rock. Just do bending and vibrato using a pentatonic or blues scale.

ye i was doing that heres what i made, its short cuz the solo needs to be short
e|15p12-14p12-15p12--14p12--------------------------------------
b|---------------------------------15-14-12--------------------------
g|----------------------------------------------15-13-12--------



Run out of space heres is the rest


e------------------------------------------------------------------
b--------------------------------------------------------------
g----------12v------14----14b----12v-----------------------------
d--14---------------14----14b----12v------------------------------
Run out of space so here is what is next


g---14---14b----12v-------------------12v
d---14---14b----12v--14 12 14----


anyways u guys can help me improv or come up with something better?

Looks like you're using 24th notes then went to triplets right?

well the pull offs i got inspired from an exercises i used to do the triplets u dud by using the harmonic scale.

Anywasy how does it soound? u guys think its good? any improvements that u guys recomend?

oh yeah also, i heard that i shuld make like drills, my friend said that i should didecate liek 15 mins to practicing a techinque and another to practicing another technique etc. I need practice on my economy and sweep picking. For economy im doing trilogy intro and stuff idk what to do for sweeping tho, what do u guys think about smoke and mirrors by symphony x to practice my sweeping